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StarsGoBlue · 03-11-2003, 04:56 PM

Tiriel, you are a mad genius!!!!! Maldis ain't got nothin' on you, sister!!!

Count me in for one scandalously delicious bra....sent to Bonnie Hammer in a clear plastic mailer with FARSCAPE OR BUST and WOMEN SUPPORT FARSCAPE stickered on it and a little brief note with my demos on it.

Oh man....that slogan nearly killed me! "Farscape or BUST...." *snicker*

Now, who's gonna tell Renay San Miguel and Matt Roush????

And buggs, this SERIOUSLY needs to be added to the to-do!!!!!

*****Stars

Xenajules2 · 03-11-2003, 04:56 PM

Oh, and I forgot to thank you, Astrid. THis thread MADE MY DAY!

Jules ;0)

Tokeya · 03-11-2003, 04:59 PM

Here's the article from Time.com

Operation Desert Sequel

Sci Fi Channel follows up its hit mini-series Dune, hoping to show that space sagas aren't just for geeks

By JAMES PONIEWOZIK
Monday, Mar. 17, 2003

A charismatic political leader cum messiah has unleashed a jihad. His minions have waged universal war and upset long-standing alliances. In the balance are power, religious freedom and control of the economy's most valuable resource. If it weren't for the giant worms and the hybrid men-fish carted around in big tanks, you might think you were watching the news.

The Sci Fi Channel's six-hour mini-series Children of Dune (March 16-18, 9 p.m. E.T.) is a sequel to the highly successful 2000 adaptation of Frank Herbert's novel Dune, but this version has a little extra timeliness. That said, Sci Fi would be just as happy if you simply tuned in for the giant worms and the men-fish. Children is the latest in a series of high-profile productions (including last year's 20-hour mini-if-you-can-call-it-that-series Taken) that have helped Sci Fi grow into a broad-based, Top 10 cable channel rather than an obscure haven for 30-year-old virgins who can name every actor who played Dr. Who

That change is the work of network president Bonnie Hammer, charged with "broadening" the fan base, which, not to put too fine a point on it, largely means: bring in women. Hammer dismisses the idea that "female sci-fi fan" is a contradiction in terms. "Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein," she notes. But the key to attracting women, and nongeek men, is emphasizing drama over technology, psychological drives over warp drives, fi over sci. "These viewers want things that have more emotional and ethical components," says Hammer. "They'll say, 'I'm not a sci-fi freak, but I loved The Sixth Sense.'"

The Dune saga made a good fit in that it's a space opera with a philosophical bent. Dune tells of the rise to power of Paul Atreides (Alec Newman), a young noble and psychic who is adopted by the Fremen, a nomadic warrior people, as their messiah. The Fremen have been exploited for centuries because their desert planet (Arrakis, or Dune) is the sole source of "spice," a substance that makes hyperspace travel possible, expands consciousness and extends life — it's oil, LSD and Botox all in one. (Spice is an excretion of Dune's giant sandworms, but people ingested weirder stuff for less benefit in the '60s.) Harnessing his powers and the Fremen's fanaticism, Paul leads a rebellion that makes him Emperor of the galaxy.

In Children, Paul — now both Emperor and god — realizes that the revolution he unleashed is out of his control, and he sets about trying to dismantle his own legacy. These themes and the environmental focus (the Fremen's new prosperity threatens the ecosystem on which their culture and spice depend) attracted co-star Susan Sarandon: "The idea of raping the environment for the profit of the few," she says, "and the idea of justifying a war in the name of some god."

Children is best enjoyed if one doesn't take it too seriously, though. (Sarandon plays a juicily over-the-top villainess, in a getup that makes her look like an evil B-52s singer.) You could write an encyclopedia detailing all the Tolkienesque mythology, invented religions and backstory behind the Dune novels — in fact, someone did — but the script does a good job of illustrating the action for the screen without getting bogged down in background. If you're a newcomer, you're better off ignoring the myriad guilds and secret societies at play and enjoying it more as a juicy religio-political soap opera, in which respect it is as satisfying as its predecessor (which Sci Fi is rerunning on March 16).

Still, Herbert was better with ideas than with dialogue, and that trait carries over here in such lines as "Nothing in this universe is as great as my love for you." And while Sarandon's wicked witch is campy in a good way, Daniela Amavia, as Paul's power-drunk sister, lacks emotional range; whether in moral turmoil or rage, she looks as if she is ticked off that someone messed up her mochaccino order. The true stars are the sumptuous-for-TV special effects and the Matrix-esque combat scenes. It's hard to get too earnest about any drama that includes the battle cry "Send men to summon worms!" but the message--"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows"--does resonate. If only the whirlwind were usually so picturesque.

From the Mar. 17, 2003 issue of TIME

Sunderflame · 03-11-2003, 05:12 PM

a poll to count the # of bras sent.....sounds good.

Bandana Girl · 03-11-2003, 05:30 PM

I like all my bras

also I don't think I can afford postage right now either. Is there a way to sent a virtual bra? (atleast till I can afford postage??)

KozmikBloo · 03-11-2003, 05:30 PM

I love this idea! I'm getting my package ready to go!

Bandana Girl · 03-11-2003, 05:31 PM

I think it would be a good to-do too.

Xenajules2 · 03-11-2003, 05:42 PM

Okay, I have my "industrial strength bra" in a plastic bag with a print out of the pertinent portions of Ms Bonnie's interview. I've got a sticker that says www.Watchfarscape.com Fridays at 8pm on SciFi and what else???? Am I missing something? Oh yah, gotta write on the loomas. <BEG> There! I think I'm ready to go. I'm sending this NEXT MONDAY, right? The 17th? or there abouts? Good! Now, to spread the word!

Jules ;0)

vhsiv · 03-11-2003, 05:55 PM

Hey -- I'm just a guy, reading this brainstorming session with amusement, but I have a few logistical suggestions to make. If you women really want to make an impact and coordinate the bra delivery, you should do one of two things: 1) You've got about 10 days - delegate 3 people - West Coast, Central and East Coast - to collect the brassieres and set it up so the regional coordinators all get their bras by the 18th or so. The regional coordinator can then put all of the bras in one BIG box and send them to Bonnie. 1a) As an alternate plan, you could just get together and purchase a gross of brassieres online and arrange for them to be delivered to SciFi on the 21st, but that would lack the personal touch (though that would be convenient for the New Yorkers...) - you wouldn't neccesarily have the handwritten messages and press clippings in with the bras... ; 2) You want to coordinate this flood of lingerie, so that some *corporate body* - The Farscape Webmaster's Assoc., The Viewer's Consortium, whatever, whomever, can issue a press-release announcing the event:"On March 21, 2003 the Aeryn Sun Society (or whatever) flooded the offices of the SciFi channel with thousand of brassieres embroidered with the legend "Women 4 Farscape! Frell yeah!". The protest was directed at SciiFi Network President Bonnie Hammer, who has been talking out of both sides of her mouth for many months about the lack of a female audience for the show, which she and the network cancelled 6 months ago..."

Once you can guarantee a delivery date - via USPS, FedEx or UPS, you can then leak the press release to UPI, Renay St. Miguel @ CNN, our friends at TV Guide, local NYC broadcasters, the Village Voice, the NY Times, Fox and any other media outlet you choose. In fact, I recommend that you use a private delivery service if only to guarantee that it get delivered en masse, and that SOMEBODY will have to sign for it.

I'm not trying to take control, just trying to provide some practical suggestions in order to maximize the effect. Given the 24/7 pre-war coverage I suspect the news bureaus would lap it up, much to SciFi and Bonnie's chagrin...
________
Side effects of depakote

Pilot's babe · 03-11-2003, 05:56 PM

I'm just waiting for someone to vote that it's sexual harassment

Eve11 · 03-11-2003, 06:05 PM

Darnit, why is it so hard for them to attract the "non-geek"? Don't they realize that everyone's a geek in their own way? Batman, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings (fantasy, but same idea), X-men -- these are the movies America comes out in droves to see. You don't have to be a geek to like sci fi, but the stigma is as always, "I guess it's okay as long as everybody else in the mainstream is doing it. So long as I'm not REALLY a nerd..."

I'd argue that the best way for SciFi to expand their audience is to focus their attention on destroying the 'mythos of the geek'. And why the hell not? They've already got lobbyists in DC looking for UFOs. Instead of shying away from the geek image, why don't they look, really look at the audience they do have, and redefine the geek, work on converting all those people who flip the channel when they see the saturn at the bottom of the page because "they're not sci-fi geeks".

Who knows. Maybe they tried this already. But they sure as hell didn't put as much oomf behind it as they did "Taken".

What we should tell them is that despite the fact we're sending underwear through the mail to get their frelling attention, we really are normal people

grapeshot · 03-11-2003, 06:11 PM

okay, I LIKE the idea about setting up collection and coordinating deliveries, BUT, there's not a lotta time. So... how about this:

Everybody still goes ahead and mails their bras as originally planned

BUT we also arrange for a box or two of them to be delivered. That way it can be coordinated with a press release, but SciFi ALSO gets the benefit of the personal touch.

PrincessSierra · 03-11-2003, 06:20 PM

I think all of them coming in seperately from different parts of the world would make more of an impact then one big box of them...I mean anyone could go down to the thrift store and buy 50 bras at 10cents a wack.

Rhonda · 03-11-2003, 06:22 PM

O.k, of course I'm in. Ran off to look in my lingerie drawer and found an adorable pink bra w/a bit of frill and cute little blue flowers that I can't wear because it creates those "poppin' fresh" boob-ettes, also known as "quad boob effect". I also found another one I never wear because it's not comfy and if anyone can't afford to do this I will send it seperately in their name and/or demographic so they can be counted as well.

Pilot's babe · 03-11-2003, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grapeshot
okay, I LIKE the idea about setting up collection and coordinating deliveries, BUT, there's not a lotta time. So... how about this:

Everybody still goes ahead and mails their bras as originally planned

BUT we also arrange for a box or two of them to be delivered. That way it can be coordinated with a press release, but SciFi ALSO gets the benefit of the personal touch.

I like that idea. I agree with PrincessSierra we need the personal touch. Skiffy may attempt to claim only a few rabid leaders of the campaign are behind this movement. A few boxes should have an impact, but bras from individuals work for me also.

And I don't know how to post a poll so that people can vote when sending bras. I think we should have the option of voting for the number of bras individuals have sent, of if you are planning to send a bra. It would be great if someone could do a poll for that

View Poll Results: Would you be willing to send a bra?
Oh yah. Absolutely.	235	88.01%
Nah... don't know... too shy... maybe if everybody else...	21	7.87%
What are you? Crazy?! That's sexual harrasssment!	1	0.37%
Don't do it! THAT'S the worst plan, like EVER!	10	3.75%
Voters: 267. You may not vote on this poll

03-11-2003, 04:56 PM	#61
StarsGoBlue la la la, can't hear you Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: the hippocampus Posts: 6,203	Tiriel, you are a mad genius!!!!! Maldis ain't got nothin' on you, sister!!! Count me in for one scandalously delicious bra....sent to Bonnie Hammer in a clear plastic mailer with FARSCAPE OR BUST and WOMEN SUPPORT FARSCAPE stickered on it and a little brief note with my demos on it. Oh man....that slogan nearly killed me! "Farscape or BUST...." snicker Now, who's gonna tell Renay San Miguel and Matt Roush???? And buggs, this SERIOUSLY needs to be added to the to-do!!!!! *****Stars __________________ O_o Ph34r my Godlike Admin Powers!!!!111!!one...or something... To YAGE, and yet return... aye, there's the rub...

03-11-2003, 04:56 PM	#62
Xenajules2 CBOOLs Resident Smart Ass Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hell, Michigan, USA Posts: 96	Oh, and I forgot to thank you, Astrid. THis thread MADE MY DAY! Jules ;0) __________________ "Let's fly!" http://xenajules2.homestead.com Transcripts from the Terrace For ALL your Farscape NEEDS!

03-11-2003, 04:59 PM	#63
Tokeya Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 302	Here's the article from Time.com Operation Desert Sequel Sci Fi Channel follows up its hit mini-series Dune, hoping to show that space sagas aren't just for geeks By JAMES PONIEWOZIK Monday, Mar. 17, 2003 A charismatic political leader cum messiah has unleashed a jihad. His minions have waged universal war and upset long-standing alliances. In the balance are power, religious freedom and control of the economy's most valuable resource. If it weren't for the giant worms and the hybrid men-fish carted around in big tanks, you might think you were watching the news. The Sci Fi Channel's six-hour mini-series Children of Dune (March 16-18, 9 p.m. E.T.) is a sequel to the highly successful 2000 adaptation of Frank Herbert's novel Dune, but this version has a little extra timeliness. That said, Sci Fi would be just as happy if you simply tuned in for the giant worms and the men-fish. Children is the latest in a series of high-profile productions (including last year's 20-hour mini-if-you-can-call-it-that-series Taken) that have helped Sci Fi grow into a broad-based, Top 10 cable channel rather than an obscure haven for 30-year-old virgins who can name every actor who played Dr. Who That change is the work of network president Bonnie Hammer, charged with "broadening" the fan base, which, not to put too fine a point on it, largely means: bring in women. Hammer dismisses the idea that "female sci-fi fan" is a contradiction in terms. "Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein," she notes. But the key to attracting women, and nongeek men, is emphasizing drama over technology, psychological drives over warp drives, fi over sci. "These viewers want things that have more emotional and ethical components," says Hammer. "They'll say, 'I'm not a sci-fi freak, but I loved The Sixth Sense.'" The Dune saga made a good fit in that it's a space opera with a philosophical bent. Dune tells of the rise to power of Paul Atreides (Alec Newman), a young noble and psychic who is adopted by the Fremen, a nomadic warrior people, as their messiah. The Fremen have been exploited for centuries because their desert planet (Arrakis, or Dune) is the sole source of "spice," a substance that makes hyperspace travel possible, expands consciousness and extends life — it's oil, LSD and Botox all in one. (Spice is an excretion of Dune's giant sandworms, but people ingested weirder stuff for less benefit in the '60s.) Harnessing his powers and the Fremen's fanaticism, Paul leads a rebellion that makes him Emperor of the galaxy. In Children, Paul — now both Emperor and god — realizes that the revolution he unleashed is out of his control, and he sets about trying to dismantle his own legacy. These themes and the environmental focus (the Fremen's new prosperity threatens the ecosystem on which their culture and spice depend) attracted co-star Susan Sarandon: "The idea of raping the environment for the profit of the few," she says, "and the idea of justifying a war in the name of some god." Children is best enjoyed if one doesn't take it too seriously, though. (Sarandon plays a juicily over-the-top villainess, in a getup that makes her look like an evil B-52s singer.) You could write an encyclopedia detailing all the Tolkienesque mythology, invented religions and backstory behind the Dune novels — in fact, someone did — but the script does a good job of illustrating the action for the screen without getting bogged down in background. If you're a newcomer, you're better off ignoring the myriad guilds and secret societies at play and enjoying it more as a juicy religio-political soap opera, in which respect it is as satisfying as its predecessor (which Sci Fi is rerunning on March 16). Still, Herbert was better with ideas than with dialogue, and that trait carries over here in such lines as "Nothing in this universe is as great as my love for you." And while Sarandon's wicked witch is campy in a good way, Daniela Amavia, as Paul's power-drunk sister, lacks emotional range; whether in moral turmoil or rage, she looks as if she is ticked off that someone messed up her mochaccino order. The true stars are the sumptuous-for-TV special effects and the Matrix-esque combat scenes. It's hard to get too earnest about any drama that includes the battle cry "Send men to summon worms!" but the message--"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows"--does resonate. If only the whirlwind were usually so picturesque. From the Mar. 17, 2003 issue of TIME Last edited by Tokeya : 03-11-2003 at 05:10 PM.

03-11-2003, 05:12 PM	#64
Sunderflame Cosmically Dislocated Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,396	a poll to count the # of bras sent.....sounds good. __________________ I AM EXTREME FARSCAPE _________________ "...perhaps there is a pattern set in the heavens for one who desires to see it, and having seen it, to find one in himself." Plato

03-11-2003, 05:30 PM	#65
Bandana Girl Jool Impersonator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,776	I like all my bras also I don't think I can afford postage right now either. Is there a way to sent a virtual bra? (atleast till I can afford postage??) __________________ What pile of bad crack were they frelling smoking when they cancelled the show? TO BE CONTINUED Member of GASP - Group Against Spoiler Posting Defending newbies and the unspoiled everywhere!! My scaper angels Selena, TBZF, LilOrion, Hank, Ratscape, Chryse, Scorpy808, DRD2001, Akimbo, UTChick, Atlantagirl, FrelledProwler, Ms. Spocks and those who replied on the arthritis thread. Thankyou Still nuts Get your Wristbands here!!! Trust Ben Farscape T-Shirts Happy Music!!!! Thank you makers of Farscape!!

03-11-2003, 05:30 PM	#66
KozmikBloo Rhyme and Reason Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 170	I love this idea! I'm getting my package ready to go! __________________ "When we don't allow ourselves to hope, we don't allow ourselves to have purpose. Without purpose, without meaning, life is dark. We have no light within, and we're just living to die." ~Dean Koontz

03-11-2003, 05:31 PM	#67
Bandana Girl Jool Impersonator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,776	I think it would be a good to-do too. __________________ What pile of bad crack were they frelling smoking when they cancelled the show? TO BE CONTINUED Member of GASP - Group Against Spoiler Posting Defending newbies and the unspoiled everywhere!! My scaper angels Selena, TBZF, LilOrion, Hank, Ratscape, Chryse, Scorpy808, DRD2001, Akimbo, UTChick, Atlantagirl, FrelledProwler, Ms. Spocks and those who replied on the arthritis thread. Thankyou Still nuts Get your Wristbands here!!! Trust Ben Farscape T-Shirts Happy Music!!!! Thank you makers of Farscape!!

03-11-2003, 05:42 PM	#68
Xenajules2 CBOOLs Resident Smart Ass Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hell, Michigan, USA Posts: 96	Okay, I have my "industrial strength bra" in a plastic bag with a print out of the pertinent portions of Ms Bonnie's interview. I've got a sticker that says www.Watchfarscape.com Fridays at 8pm on SciFi and what else???? Am I missing something? Oh yah, gotta write on the loomas. <BEG> There! I think I'm ready to go. I'm sending this NEXT MONDAY, right? The 17th? or there abouts? Good! Now, to spread the word! Jules ;0) __________________ "Let's fly!" http://xenajules2.homestead.com Transcripts from the Terrace For ALL your Farscape NEEDS!

03-11-2003, 05:55 PM	#69
vhsiv meme tech Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: D.C. Posts: 1,670	Hey -- I'm just a guy, reading this brainstorming session with amusement, but I have a few logistical suggestions to make. If you women really want to make an impact and coordinate the bra delivery, you should do one of two things: 1) You've got about 10 days - delegate 3 people - West Coast, Central and East Coast - to collect the brassieres and set it up so the regional coordinators all get their bras by the 18th or so. The regional coordinator can then put all of the bras in one BIG box and send them to Bonnie. 1a) As an alternate plan, you could just get together and purchase a gross of brassieres online and arrange for them to be delivered to SciFi on the 21st, but that would lack the personal touch (though that would be convenient for the New Yorkers...) - you wouldn't neccesarily have the handwritten messages and press clippings in with the bras... ; 2) You want to coordinate this flood of lingerie, so that some corporate body - The Farscape Webmaster's Assoc., The Viewer's Consortium, whatever, whomever, can issue a press-release announcing the event:"On March 21, 2003 the Aeryn Sun Society (or whatever) flooded the offices of the SciFi channel with thousand of brassieres embroidered with the legend "Women 4 Farscape! Frell yeah!". The protest was directed at SciiFi Network President Bonnie Hammer, who has been talking out of both sides of her mouth for many months about the lack of a female audience for the show, which she and the network cancelled 6 months ago..." Once you can guarantee a delivery date - via USPS, FedEx or UPS, you can then leak the press release to UPI, Renay St. Miguel @ CNN, our friends at TV Guide, local NYC broadcasters, the Village Voice, the NY Times, Fox and any other media outlet you choose. In fact, I recommend that you use a private delivery service if only to guarantee that it get delivered en masse, and that SOMEBODY will have to sign for it. I'm not trying to take control, just trying to provide some practical suggestions in order to maximize the effect. Given the 24/7 pre-war coverage I suspect the news bureaus would lap it up, much to SciFi and Bonnie's chagrin... ________ Side effects of depakote Last edited by vhsiv : 04-30-2011 at 08:37 PM.

03-11-2003, 05:56 PM	#70
Pilot's babe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wales Posts: 51	I'm just waiting for someone to vote that it's sexual harassment __________________ "Nolite te bastardes carborundorum" (don't let the bastards grind you down) A person can live 40 days without food, four days without water, four minutes without air, but one cannot live four seconds without hope

03-11-2003, 06:05 PM	#71
Eve11 data reductionist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,092	Darnit, why is it so hard for them to attract the "non-geek"? Don't they realize that everyone's a geek in their own way? Batman, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings (fantasy, but same idea), X-men -- these are the movies America comes out in droves to see. You don't have to be a geek to like sci fi, but the stigma is as always, "I guess it's okay as long as everybody else in the mainstream is doing it. So long as I'm not REALLY a nerd..." I'd argue that the best way for SciFi to expand their audience is to focus their attention on destroying the 'mythos of the geek'. And why the hell not? They've already got lobbyists in DC looking for UFOs. Instead of shying away from the geek image, why don't they look, really look at the audience they do have, and redefine the geek, work on converting all those people who flip the channel when they see the saturn at the bottom of the page because "they're not sci-fi geeks". Who knows. Maybe they tried this already. But they sure as hell didn't put as much oomf behind it as they did "Taken". What we should tell them is that despite the fact we're sending underwear through the mail to get their frelling attention, we really are normal people __________________ Crichton: The last time I saw Scorpius, he was handcuffed to a pirahna monster, and his head was covered with man-eating fire ants! There's no WAY he survived that! Scorpius: [arriving by parachute] But I did! Tah-DAH! --Danny Horn, www.toughpigs.com --------- Pittsburgh Scapers Yahoo Group Pittsburgh Scapers Home Page

03-11-2003, 06:11 PM	#72
grapeshot Lame Theorist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,272	okay, I LIKE the idea about setting up collection and coordinating deliveries, BUT, there's not a lotta time. So... how about this: Everybody still goes ahead and mails their bras as originally planned BUT we also arrange for a box or two of them to be delivered. That way it can be coordinated with a press release, but SciFi ALSO gets the benefit of the personal touch. __________________ Grapeshot ChicagoScapers: We Bring The Delirium www.ChicagoScapers.com

03-11-2003, 06:20 PM	#73
PrincessSierra Farscape FemDom Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 19	I think all of them coming in seperately from different parts of the world would make more of an impact then one big box of them...I mean anyone could go down to the thrift store and buy 50 bras at 10cents a wack. __________________

03-11-2003, 06:22 PM	#74
Rhonda Wormhole Hopping Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 129	O.k, of course I'm in. Ran off to look in my lingerie drawer and found an adorable pink bra w/a bit of frill and cute little blue flowers that I can't wear because it creates those "poppin' fresh" boob-ettes, also known as "quad boob effect". I also found another one I never wear because it's not comfy and if anyone can't afford to do this I will send it seperately in their name and/or demographic so they can be counted as well. __________________ Egyptians worshipped cats as Gods. Cats have never forgotten this.

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